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Thursday, June 04, 2009

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As is often the case, Fafblog had the definitive comment back during the 2006 incident:

"Run for your lives - America is under attack! Just days ago three prisoners at Guantanamo Bay committed suicide in a savage assault on America's freedom to not care about prisoner suicides! ...they only committed suicide as part of a diabolical ruse to trick the world into thinking our secret torture camp is the kind of secret torture camp that drives its prisoners to commit suicide! This fiendish attempt to slander the great American institution of the gulag is nothing less than an act of asymmetrical warfare against the United States - a noose is just a suicide bomb with a very small blast radius, people!

...And that's just the tip of the iceberg! Even as we speak the forces of Islamanazism are infiltrating our network of classified CIA prison camps, rendering themselves to third world dictatorships, and launching unprovoked assaults on innocent American bullets!"

Let's do both - consider the statements vile and narcissistic, and also try and/or release the men at Guantanamo.

I really don't want to give up the vile and narcissistic thingy. It's good.

I agree, it's a false dichotomy. Let's despise these morally-crippled bastards and do what they didn't know they were suggesting!

Given how much the U.S. spends on its military, if it weren't for asymmetrical warfare, we wouldn't have any warfare at all.

Actually, I've rethought the "try" element. Since many of these guys were picked up for their "bounty" payoff, they don't really need trying, do they? Of course, the PTB won't ever recognize this, as it would fly in the face of all their anti-terrorist burble.

And for a look at the place where some of these man may end up, see this from yesterday's USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-06-03-supermax_N.htm

about the only federal supermax prison in the U.S., (possible final spot for some in Guantanamo) in Florence, Colorado. Although the article makes it clear that this is "where the human mind goes to rot," and that the prisoners are isolated for 23 out of 24 hours per day, there's nothing to suggest that this is not the way to treat human beings, even the "worst of the worst." Why not put the article in the lifestyle section instead of the news section? "What's new in prisons?" Christ, it made me want to put my head in the oven and turn on the gas.

Catherine: That's revolting, alright. I've never managed to fully understand the eagerness of many Americans for nearly any punishment of evildoers, no matter how draconian. There's a lot to it, but I think one component is the same lack of empathy that leads them to cheer on our military as it savages yet another country.

SteveB: Given how much the U.S. spends on its military, if it weren't for asymmetrical warfare, we wouldn't have any warfare at all.

Good point. To put it another way: all warfare involving the U.S. is by definition asymmetrical.

SteveB: Given how much the U.S. spends on its military, if it weren't for asymmetrical warfare, we wouldn't have any warfare at all.

Good point. To put it another way: all warfare involving the U.S. is by definition asymmetrical


Both good points. Yes, rocks thrown at Israeli soldiers by the Palestinians are just as hurtful as Israeli bombs dropped on Palestinian homes. I can see the symmetry, can't you?

Funny you should mention that:

[Former Israeli government press adviser and air force colonel Uri] Dromi admitted that the administration will struggle to win hearts and minds if footage of those suffering in Gaza continues to be shown. "When you have a Palestinian kid facing an Israeli tank, how do you explain that the tank is actually David and the kid is Goliath?"

And several years ago, during the Second Intifada I believe, I heard on Counterspin that some Newsweek writer had addressed an audience in the US, holding up a rock and saying that if they really believed that a rock-throwing Palestinian kid was "unarmed," then they shouldn't mind if he threw that rock at them. Someone in the audience got up and said, Sure, go ahead -- but you won't mind us responding by shredding you with gunfire from a US-made attack helicopter, right?

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