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Sunday, December 14, 2008

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That is fascinating to me, because one gets zero indication of anything like this in the press here, even the left-leaning alternative press AFAIK. But I would like polls on this--how many Palestinians would willingly live in a secular democratic state alongside Jews with equal rights for everyone?

But to be fair (because it's ridiculous to act as though it's just the Palestinians whose attitudes need to be investigated) I'd also like to see the same poll among the Israeli Jewish population, and for that matter, it'd be interesting to see what Western "supporters" of Israel think about this.

Unfortunately one would also have to ask how many crazies on both sides would sabotage such a thing? You could have, say, 70-90 percent support for a secular democracy, but a large minority of fanatics on one or both sides could turn the whole thing into a civil war.

how many Palestinians would willingly live in a secular democratic state alongside Jews with equal rights for everyone...I'd also like to see the same poll among the Israeli Jewish population, and for that matter, it'd be interesting to see what Western "supporters" of Israel think about this.

I agree, I'd like to see data on this too.

Does anyone have any recommendations for background reading and analysis of the Israel-Palestine situation? Ideally from a left perspective, but that also fully addresses all the facts and the arguments from all sides, including die-hard pro-Israel types?

I'm woefully ignorant about the subject beyond the bare widely-known facts, I'm ashamed to say. And its so contentious that I'm never sure where to start looking for good analysis.

I believe the percentage of Palestinians who would accept either the international consensus or a one-state solution has run in the 70% range for decades. I found some polls here and here (see question 48), and I'm sure you could track down more of them.

If you haven't seen it, this is worth reading when you're thinking about "crazies on each side."

LadyVetinari: I know how you feel—it's daunting. I'm planning to do a post about the best online resource I've discovered over the years, but the thumbnail version is that you should just go here and follow all the links.

Generally speaking, the issue of Palestine only seems complex for the same reason US foreign policy seems complex: because a powerful nation with a well-developed propaganda apparatus has a vested interest in making it appear that way. In reality it's very straightforward.

Thank you for all the links, will check them out.

Generally speaking, the issue of Palestine only seems complex for the same reason US foreign policy seems complex: because a powerful nation with a well-developed propaganda apparatus has a vested interest in making it appear that way. In reality it's very straightforward.

I suspected as much. Any issue on which the talking heads ponderously shake their heads on how "complex" it is...usually isn't.

Some other good candidates for the title of "Israeli Heroes" are the Shministim, the young Israeli draft resisters who have chosen to go to prison rather than serve in the Israeli occupied territories. You can read more about them at Jewish Voices for Peace. Some of them have served multiple prison terms, but still refuse to participate in Israel's Apartheid policies. JVP has launched a campaign of letters in support to be sent to the Israeli government and the Obama administration.

But the Committee Against House Demolitions is pretty awesome, too.

Here's one I found recently.

I hadn't heard about the Shministim—thanks for that. They're in good company.

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