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Friday, September 30, 2011

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Ah, the curious incident of the dog in the night-time. Yet again.

Seriously, what is mentally wrong with these people?

Moore supported war criminal Wesley Clark. Was an active booster.

Michael Moore: The reason there is no more Georgia.

There are times when nothing can be done.

There are times when something can be done.

There are times when a great deal can be done.

There are times when they live happily together for the rest of their days.

Like sand through the hourglass, these are the Days of Our Lives.

Moore is an interesting and entertaining filmmaker. As a daily pundit, he leaves a lot to be desired. His silence on this matter is sad, but then I saw him this week on Olbermann and he had actually gotten back on the Obama bandwagon simply because the president was using fiery rhetoric now on the campaign trail. How naive can you get?

Really? I was wondering if someone was going to point me to some Obama-excoriating screed of his I'd missed, in which case I'd have been happy to apologize for having not given him enough credit. Not expecting that in the least, mind you, just wondering. I still haven't seen him kiss Obama's ass outright (though I won't be surprised if I do)--he just seems to offer at most tepid criticisms or avoid mentioning him altogether. If you can't say something nice...

I did scan the transcripts of his Democracy Now appearances this week for any mention of "Obama" to see what he'd say--and this idiocy was all I found (in response to Amy Goodman asking a question based on Moore saying "[Obama] was not the same person that, maybe, we had voted for"):

MICHAEL MOORE: Well, of course, I was a very big Nader supporter and travel the country with him in 2000. But, all of the promise from him, that he was not going to push it in the swing states, that he was really going to try to get his those from places like New York and Texas, places where was already, sort of, decided who would win. Then he started to campaign in the swing states; he was upset at Al Gore because Al Gore had wrongly kept Ralph out of the debates. So the focus became, Al Gore, and the bigger picture, I think, in my opinion, got lost. So, by the time '04 came around and we're in the first year of this war, Bush had to go. I mean, there was just no messing around.
Nader lost the bigger picture? Talk about someone drowning in self-deception. Nothing at all about Obama and no recognition of his own shameful behavior--just more of his petty little vendetta against a man who's remained faithful to his principles. Pathetic.

What exactly are people living outside of the Southern states buying that is made in Georgia? I guess peaches. Don't buy our peaches, ya'll.

And seriously, don't come visit. Especially if you aren't going to buy anything.

I can't remember the last time I purchased a book from a bookstore.

I'm boycotting "y'all". From now on I'll use the unabbreviated "you all", or possibly "thou" (depending on context).

Vidalia onions, Amanda; how could you overlook them?

A question, though, not about the overall justice (? please) system of Georgia, but about the parole board decision that horrid week. Do people know it was divided - 2 of the 5 voted for commutation. Does anyone know who the two were and why they voted the way they did? I've heard nothing else about it. What I thought when I heard it was that this would have made it easy for SCOTUS to rule for a stay - saying in effect that "our learned colleagues are not sure about this case, and our ruling supports their reluctance." They wouldn't have had to take a stand (had the Georgia PB been unanimous) that suggested "You crackers don't know what you're doing", which they of course would never do.

Anyone have any other info on this. It of course does not help Mr. Davis, but it would be good going forward to know more about the Georgia Parole Board, etc.

A lot of people are criticizing THE ONE for murdering Awlaki and Kahn because he didn’t use due process. I say that even with due process it still isn’t right to murder.

Tony is right: Vidalias, indeed! Perhaps, in light of that 3-2 decision that Catherine mentions, Moore can recommend that we boycott Vidalias and peaches, but go ahead with our plans to purchase a trailer, lot, and security fence in the Blue Ridge mountains. There we can grow fat and old in our retirement, voting for Democrats. Then it'll only be a matter of time unit the state turns Blue, and grease-stained American-Flag-cap sportin' Mikey can include state execution in his list of things no longer worth mentioning.

By the way, John, I believe Amanda's was an abbreviation for "ya all", which is way cooler than "you all", imo.

Don't worry. As soon as the Republicans re-take the White House, Moore and his ilk will re-discover their objections to the President executing citizens without trial.

Maybe sooner if Obama kills a white person next.

"A lot of people are criticizing THE ONE for murdering Awlaki and Kahn because he didn’t use due process. I say that even with due process it still isn’t right to murder."

I find this line of thinking quite odd, since it seems to read in people's objections an endorsement of executions. To the contrary, a person is much less likely to be executed if they stand trial than if Obama just waves his hand and says 'Kill the guy.' The due process objections aim at fewer executions, I think, if only because even a corrupt trial system will kill less efficiently.

Sure hoping that the leftist purity contest that results in people basically discounting actual degrees of state atrocity ends soon.

I forgot the onions! Am I allowed to blame this on my being a Southern transplant?

I meant "y'all"! My talent for word language seems to lessen as I pursue my propensity for math language. The more I learn of one, the less I can recall of the other, but I can't put on the brakes for numbers unless I give up my dreams, y'all.

Hill o’ Beans,

Well, thar ya go, I’m an odd fellow, just ask our host. I suggest you read this link which explains my view better than I did.

http://original.antiwar.com/charles-davis/2011/10/03/when-it-comes-to-state-sanctioned-murder-morality-matters-most/

Rob:

I've read Charles post. I don't see it as contradicting me, but if it does, he's wrong too.

There is no question that due process creates a less efficient system for killing people than a presidential hit list. Hence, if killing is always wrong, less killing is always better.

But your moral purity is an inspiration and model of us all.

HillOfBeans:
Moral purity? What a offensive and piece of shit attitude to take towards someone who points out the sheer hypocrisy of limping along with a law and order crutch once "a citizen" meets the same fate as so many others in his neighborhood (or any other neighborhood for that matter).

I don't read anywhere that Rob Payne is suggesting that no one do the hard legal slogging required to save a life here and there, or to free someone from any number of state's submission apparatuses. What I read is someone who is quick to point out that we should not lose the big picture in all of this.

Unless you are one of those hypocrites, I cannot see what the nature of your objection is. Did he strike a nerve, or has one of your clients been executed recently? For some reason, I suspect it is most likely the former. Might I suggest you put up or shut up regarding accusations of moral purity, or at least develop a more nuanced approach to your own sense of more better do-gooderism? (in other words, follow your own advice)

Frankly, yes, Rob Payne, is an inspiration and model, your condescension notwithstanding, as you, too, HillOfBeans, are an inspiration, I am sure.

My thanks to davidly for saying what I wanted to say but doing it so much better than I could. You know we've turned a corner when "moral" standards are thrown out and only "legal" standards remain. Troy Davis could tell you how valid HOB's recourse to due process is.

Davidly,

You are way too kind but thank you very much, you are really a nice person. I feel the same as Harpfool, you said it much better than I could as well.

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