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Friday, June 02, 2006

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Why are there no comments? Any last shred of faith in humanity is gone for me. Despair.

Thank you so much for this post. I'd never seen most of these interviews before, or if I'd seen something similar it got lost in the daily news grind. Compiled together it's nearly overpowering.

It's time to stop condescending to people in the military by "thanking them for their service" etc. a la Micheal Moore or Cindy Sheehan.

These people weren't drafted, and while they shouldn't be blamed for the strategic decisions of waging these evil wars they shouldn't get a free pass on morality either.

And they DEFINITELY shouldn't be used as a "noble cover" for all the military waste (of lives and money) and (purposely) counter-productive atrocity. Especially when, as messed up as many of them are becoming, the vast majority would still prefer to leave immediately and never come back.

Precisely. These goons are, for all intents and purposes, voluntary killers: that's the job they signed up for, unlike, say, the grunts of WWII, Korea, and Viet-nam. The military has learned an important lesson: keep normal human beings out of the Army, and populate it only with people willing to kill for money (or because they're psychotic).

Fuck the troops.

NomadUK

I live in a well to do suburb of Chicago and alomost none of the kids who graduate from the local high school will ever go into the military. In a less affluent area, a lot of them do. Right now, with the economy seriously in the dumps, the military is having no difficulty meeting its recruiting goals for the first time in years.

If people who don't have money are "people willing to kill for money" or "psychotic", this would seem to justify my faith in the American system. The haves are the haves because they are not psychotic or willing to kill for money, i.e. they are good people and the have nots are the have nots because they are psychotic or willing to kill for money.

It can't possibly be that these goons are themselves victims, right?

BTW, great post John Caruso. I don't know how I missed it the first time. Keep up the good work

The haves are the haves because they are not psychotic or willing to kill for money

Well, no, the haves are the sociopaths who run for public office or rise to the top of corporations.

It can't possibly be that these goons are themselves victims, right?

I have sympathy for the poor and disenfranchised whose only apparent recourse is to donate their bodies to the war machine in order to eat. But I'd like to think that perhaps even they might have realised by now what it is they're signing up for. On the other hand, most of the guards at Auschwitz and the Gulag probably didn't ask for the assignments they got, either. Were they victims, too? Probably so.

And so it goes. Not really sure what to do about it.

And so it goes. Not really sure what to do about it.

Posted by: NomadUK | Thursday, April 08, 2010 at 12:21 PM

well to begin with, you don't celebrate and revere the troops as they were anything but hired thugs for the American empire. I think John Caruso made a comment or a blog post sometime ago where he made a nuanced argument that soldiers are a special class in that many of them are indeed partial victims .. but they are also victimizers.

Americans liberals have become so terrified of the right-wing backlash after Vietnam that they are not only are they too terrified to be even the slightest critical of their beloved troops and military, they now revere and celebrate the troops and the military. Take a look at the antics of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert, for example. These people are pathetic. This isn't a nuanced position. Sure, we should understand that the politicians are the one who bear the biggest moral responsibility for starting and continuing aggressive wars, but sucking up to the troops and insulating them from any kind of self-examination about their role in enabling their country's illegitimate, murderous aggressive wars isn't going to help change anything.

Great points, hv, and I'd say you're right on the mark about liberal fear (which truly is one of the great motivators of all liberal behavior).

And it's funny you should mention that comment of mine, because I've spent a lot of time searching in vain for it over the past few days. Either I just can't remember enough keywords or it managed to get nuked somehow.

And LCL:

These people weren't drafted, and while they shouldn't be blamed for the strategic decisions of waging these evil wars they shouldn't get a free pass on morality either.

I'm surprised at how few people seem to be able to keep this basic fact in mind. This isn't Vietnam, where people were faced with a serious choice between being turned into killers or being thrown into prison; these people all willingly signed up. Yes, there are economic factors (and others) that enter into it, but as you say they definitely shouldn't be given a free pass.

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