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I believe your assessment of the poll has decent evidence to back it up. But your characterization of the poll is wrong. It is not misleading on Kyoto: here is an abridged quote from the second presidential debate:

"Kerry: ...They pulled out of the global warming, declared it dead, didn't even accept the science.

I'm going to be a president who believes in science.

BUSH: Well, had we joined the Kyoto treaty, which I guess he's referring to, it would have cost America a lot of jobs....

KERRY: The fact is that the Kyoto treaty was flawed. I was in Kyoto, and I was part of that. I know what happened. But this president didn't try to fix it. He just declared it dead, ladies and gentlemen, and we walked away from the work of 160 nations over 10 years."

My assessment is that Kerry supports Kyoto but wants to fix the flaws.

This is exactly what the fine print on the poll points out "Supports in principle but wants to negotiate terms for US involvement."

You obviously have found Kerry on one side and I've found Kerry on the other side. SO I blame Kerry's inability to articulate a clear position and brand it as a distortion of Kerry's position.

On the ICC here is a another Kerry Quote:
"9. Do you support US participation in the International Criminal Court? Yes

I support U.S. participation in the International Criminal Court, but also believe that U.S. officials, including soldiers, should be provided some protection from politically motivated prosecutions.

Source: Peace Action Candidate Questionnaire"

This follows the fine print
"Supports in principle but wants to negotiate terms for US involvement."
so again we both find evidence of Kerry appearing on both sides of an issue. And again I blame Kerry but sadly people don't vote on these issues so Kerry can afford to be ambiguous

Dan,

Thanks for the comments. I'd most definitely agree that Kerry has tried to play both sides of these issues (as he's tried to do with so many issues), and that's part of the confusion. In the case of PIPA, however, they simply ignored strong contradictory evidence.

For example, you mention his quotes on Kyoto from the debates. The quote I'm mentioning, however, is from Kerry's official policy paper of August 19th, 2004, and couldn't be clearer; it says, in extraordinarily direct language for a political paper, "John Kerry and John Edwards believe that the Kyoto Protocol is not the answer." It goes on to state: "The near-term emission reductions it would require of the United States are infeasible, while the long-term obligations imposed on all nations are too little to solve the problem." Kerry's subsequent comments in the debates (which you quoted) don't contradict this unequivocal statement in substance, though they do blow smoke (Kerry's specialty on many issues, but particularly on this one; see this article for an analysis of Kerry's calculated "strategic ambiguity" on Kyoto).

Ironically, Kerry's stance on Kyoto differs very little from Bush's in terms of the reasons they cite for their positions.

On the ICC, you're correct about the Peace Action quote, and I think that may even have been PIPA's source (according to their footnotes). However, I'd recommend that you read the entire Boston Globe article I cited ("Kerry opposes role in tribunal," 10/5/2004), which specifically cites that response of his to Peace Action; in fact, that seems to have been one of their reasons for asking Kerry about this in the first place: they wanted to get an official statement of policy from him, so that they could resolve the apparent inconsistencies in his position. And that's the context in which Kerry verified that he opposes the ICC, thus negating his statement to Peace Action (which was made in early 2004).

I seriously doubt that PIPA was unaware of this, given that they were about to release a major policy report on his positions. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, however, I contacted them yesterday to ask them to issue a correction or retraction; if they choose not to, then the obfuscation on their part here is clearly intentional.

In fact, if you look at PIPA's sources for the foreign policy segment of the report, you'll find that they seem to have cherry-picked Kerry's statements and then tailored their questions to fit those statements--in an attempt to guarantee that the responses they received would produce the result they were looking for, I think. The sources are also particularly telling in that regard: they include Peace Action and also STAR*PAC (the "Stop the Arms Race PAC"). Surely PIPA knew that Kerry's statements to groups with that orientation would be particularly slanted, and therefore likely not representative of his official positions. And in any case, why take Kerry's feel-good pronouncements to leftist activist groups over his official policy statements? Incredibly, if you look at their list of six sources (on page 11 of their report), Kerry's own web site isn't even listed!

So I think my harsh characterization of PIPA is fully warranted. Had they at least given the same caveats in the questionnaire that they gave in the report, I might not judge them so harshly--but they did not. Again, though, I agree with you that Kerry himself has made a conscious effort to speak out of both sides of his mouth. Maybe that's why Kerry supporters are so "accurate" about his positions: because he has so many of them. And PIPA could have said exactly that as part of the analysis in their report by way of explaining the "cognitive dissonance" of Kerry supporters--but that would have required them to undercut their desired conclusion.

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